Thursday, April 27, 2006

City Manager Sends Subtle Threat to Those Wishing to Support the Immigration Rights Rally

Lynwood, CA - During its last meeting, the Lynwood City Council approved a protest march scheduled for Sunday, April 30 2006 in support of immigration rights. Hermandad Mexicana anticipates about 2,000 participants who will rally at the organization's headquarters in Lynwood.

On Thursday, April 27, City Manger Martinez sent employees a memorandum warning them about calling in sick on May 1st 2006.

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45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Que culey eres Enrique tan pronto te olvidasde de tu gente,tienes caracter de tipo politico de Mexico.llegan al trono y se olvidan de su gente.en tu caso personal el puesto que tu tienes.sAbes la vida es una rueda de la FORTUNa.

Anonymous said...

Perro que ladra no muerde. viva la raza! Si se puede!! La Raz unida jamas sera vencida!!!

Abajo con los coconuts como Enrique!

1ero de Mayo-El Leon despierta de su sueño.

Anonymous said...

The City would have more upset people than happy, if the city can not operate on Monday. Think of the following: can't pay your water bill, can't get your plans approved, can't get your permits approved. Your child is board because, no practice at park, teen center closed, natatorium closed.

The City has a rally on Sunday, I suggest the employees participate on that day, instead of Monday.

E-HOG said...

Just like you all aim to hold elected officials accountable for doing their job, city employees should be held accountable as well.

Why do you think the demonstrations are some sort of permission slip for people to ditch work? Anyone that is in violation of employer or education trunacy policy, should be disciplined.

I'm gonna laugh on Monday when the "boycotts" are a complete failure. I can see the headlines now, "Sales Increase Nationwide".

This attempt at seperatism needs to stop.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I'm not even going to get into how racially charged the term "coconut" is.

Furthermore, he has a JOB to do. If some of you wish to ignore your responsibilities in favor of a cause, that's fine, but don't expect that a political protest is justification for getting out of work. More importantly, don't expect that everybody will agree with your cause.

Anonymous said...

You are not being fair, why do we have African American Month. Why can't we stand up for our rights. I bet you if it was something to do with African Americans the city would close

Anonymous said...

I agree with the previous comment, With Latinos they are not intimidated because we dont stick together like they do, or do they expect us to burn the city down to be heard...........

I disagree with the white wash....no matter how much you ASSIMILATE THEY WILL STILL SEE YOU AS A DARK BROWN ILLEGA ALIEN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SUIT AND A TIE!!!

Anonymous said...

I do not believe in African American month either, it's a separatist celebration that says "yeah, we're American, but we're different." It's amazing how so many people have fought for EQUAL rights and EQUAL protection and all you want is to highlight how UNEQUAL we are.

Why should anybody be intimidated of latinos? I'm sorry, but I don't want to be seen as a threat to anybody. I'm as much a part of this country as anybody else.

It's sad to see that you have a mentality that prevents you from seeing yourself as anything other than a "dark brown illegal alien" -- It's obvious that you're projecting your perception of yourself if you're unwilling to give people a chance to see you otherwise. You're attributing racism to an unspecified population, although I'm assuming you're speaking about whites, which in turn really just reflects how racist YOU are.

The more you're obsessed with something that you have no control over, such as the color of your skin, the easier you make it for people to identify you on those grounds. Mexican is what my passport says. Mexican is my nationality. Mexican is not who or what I am. I am a person, and the choices I make in life are what shape me. Having been born in Mexico is just a footnote to my accomplishments. It's a bit of trivia.

I am not a product of circumstance. I am not a victim of causality. I am a free man of free will living in a free land. My path is guided by the choices I make. Nobody can stop me unless I have stopped myself first or granted them the power to do so.

If you believe in this cause, do what you must. But you can't expect others to follow suit based on something as circumstancial as similar skin color.

Anonymous said...

Cut the bulLshit previous poster. You're so full of your self, your eyes are turning brown. You are totally missing the point.

The May 1st boycot is about stoping a racist law. Some in this country want to make it a FELONY to be here without a visa or green card. They also want to make into criminals anyone who "assists" an immigrant by giving them food, work or shelter.

How come it was oaky for the city hall to be closed down for the so called holidays?

How can this highly commercialized holiday be more important than to make a statement about how valuable immigrants (legal or not) really are to the U.S.?

As far as the argument that it's okay to "ENFORCE THE LAW" and the bullcrap about obeying this and that law.

Not so long ago it was "THE LAW" to make blacks ride on the back of the bus. It was "THE LAW" to have segregated schools, and on and on.

I can't help it if some of you are ignorant and therefore don't support the "Boycot". Some of you who only have a "green card" can have it taken away by "THE LAW" any time the government feels it should legislate to do so.

And what about Women's right to vote? It wasn't until 1920 that "THE LAW" was changed to give women this right.

What about our "glorious" Constitution which at one point declare that "Blacks who were for purposes of congressional representation, to be counted as "three fifths" of a person"?

Furthermore, Section 8, referred to "Indian tribes", who were thus excluded from the universalistic category of "citizen"?

WAKE UP! - This isn't about being responsible or not, is about human rights, it's about the dignity of immigrants, "LEGAL" or not.

Don't work or buy anything on MAY 1st!

The hell with the soon to be replaced Lynwood City manager.

Viva Villaraigosa. he gets it!

VIVA LA RAZA!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes, great, once the arguments grow thin here come the ad hominem attacks.


What racist law? HR 4437? Have you read its current form? Do you understand that it was reviewed in the Senate? Obviously you don't since you're still talking about the non-existent version of HR 4437. It's funny, I know a woman who is from the Ukraine and she has been deported twice already. I didn't know racist laws affected white Europeans.

The rest of your post is just made up of a series of inflamatory exaggerations intended to stir people's passions rather than appeal to their logic. Need I remind you that it is passion that leads to discrimination and logic that led to equality.

Again, you're protesting against a proposed law [HR4437] which you obviously know nothing about.

Civil disobedience is fine, but there's a price to it. If people are fired because they don't show up to work, it is justified.

E-HOG said...
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Anonymous said...

I just would like to handed to the person that posted the comment on April 29th at 3:28pm.

Not too manny people has the knolege of history to put it just the way you put it.

Manny inmigrants have died to come to this country, and manny have die defending it.

My opinion about the March is that If we don't like proposed law we must protest, march, Vote or do wherterver it takes to stop it or change it.

Lynwood Watch Dog

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

IT IS SAD THAT THOSE BOARD MEMBERS WHO CAMPAIGN IN OUR COMMUNITY "I REPRESENT YOU I AM AN IMMIGRANT ,I UNDERSTAND YOUR STRUGGLE, I WILL FIGHT FOR YOU" BULLSH.T!!! WHERE ARE YOU NOW?????? WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT???? DON'T COME KNOCKING AT MY DOOR ON THE NEXT ELECTION!!!

E-HOG said...

In Response to 3:28 PM, April 29, 2006:

You've successfully listed many of the true injustices of all American history.

But HOW DARE YOU compare them to the current situation with Illegal Aliens.

Those grounds of people you listed; women, African-Americans, and Native Americans, were American CITIZENS that were absolutely deserving of their rights as LEGAL American citizens. Don’t try to co-op the plight of another group of people and compare it to your own.

By the way, Section 8 of what? Are you speaking of The United States Constitution? If so, I’d like you to directly cite to me this section 8 you just invented. The United States Constitution is divided into 7 sections with each section having a varied but limited number of sections. The only Article of the constitution that even has an eighth section is Article I, Section 8 which lists the powers of congress. Why are you lying to the people that read Lynwood Watch? Is it because you know you have no real arguments thus you have to make things up to try to make yourself look informed? Nice try.

The May 1st boycott is not about stopping a racist law. No one has yet to explain to me exactly how this law is racist. Last I checked immigration policy applied to everyone coming to the United States. What May Day is about is the multiculturalists, pagans, communists and socialist taking advantage of a group of people to promote their “International Workers' Day.”

If you want to put things on real historical terms, here you go.

This is where I get to say “It’s story time kids! Gather around the campfire.”

Back in the 18th when German and Irish immigrants were coming to American soil, they were treated with absolutely horrific resentment. Much more so than any illegal alien currently. German and Irish. Hey, guess what that makes them, WHITE. Soon people from many more European states began to immigrate to the United States (English, Scot-Irish, French, Jewish, Italian and Swedish). These were all white people living in rat infested, feces festering, and overcrowded commons in urban areas working for menial wages. Sound familiar?

Eventually law makers catch on in the 19th century setting specific laws which will govern the flow of people into the country. Namely: Quotas (Limiting distribution of green cards to 700,000 per year), Health Restrictions (Not allowing people with infectious diseases and mental illness to enter the country), and a Literacy requirement (Being able to read and write).

Yeah, it’s really racist for white people to require white people to meet all those stipulations. By the way, to this day those are the stipulations for legal migration to the United States.

We want to talk about fairness, let’s discuss fairness then. Is it really fair that 10 to 20 illegal aliens currently residing in this country should be able to CUT IN LINE in front of the 700,000 people a year that pursued residency/citizenship LEGALLY? Is it really fair that illegal aliens cost these country $10.4 BILLION dollars a year in deficits? Is it really fair that immigrants send a total of $30 BILLION dollars collectively a year to their home countries instead of keeping the money in our own economy from which their earned it? Is it really fair for people to create a “Race to the Bottom” situation in entry level job markets?

For Clarity: Race to the Bottom is a theory in economics. The situation plays itself out like this. Federal and state governments have created wage floors (Minimum Wage: $6.75/hour in California) for citizens/residents. Illegal aliens are not citizens or residents. Businesses, in order to maximize profit, hire illegal aliens with forged documentation in order to cut costs at payroll and pay those illegal aliens less than they would have to pay a citizen or resident. Illegal immigrants proudly proclaim “We do jobs Americans won’t do.” Well that’s rather silly isn’t it? In reality, illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans are perfectly willing to do, but since illegal immigrants are willing to do them for much less and in much worse conditions, a lot of business will rather risk fines and higher an illegal over an American citizen/resident. What do you think happens in areas where immigrant populations are not as high? Do you really think these jobs aren’t filled?

Many seem to confuse the distinction between rights and privileges. It’s not a right to work. It’s a privilege. A privilege you earn when you meet all the legal requirements and specifications by the employer. The only rights an illegal alien have are: free medical treatment (At American Taxpayer expense), free K-12 education (At American Taxpayer Expense), and to be prosecuted fairly under United States Immigration law. And that’s all.

Monday will be business as usual for me. I’ll fill my gas tank on Monday, 91 Octane. I’ll do my family’s grocery shopping Monday. I’ll make some transactions on eBay. I have plans to go out to eat with friends on Monday, plans I will surely fulfill. Anybody care to join me in celebrating capitalism and not communist and socialist promoted May Day?

To Lynwood Mayor Leticia Vasquez: Give that City Manager a raise, and I’ll personally lead the campaign against your recall.

Antonio Villaraigosa gets it huh? Is that why he’s ditching the rallies on Monday? While all those truant workers and students will be out in the streets of LA protesting, Villaraigosa will kick back in a board room talking to NFL officials about getting a team back to Los Angeles. Yeah, he cares so much doesn’t he!

Yeah, Viva La Raza! Whatever the hell that means.

How about:
Viva Capitalismo! Viva!
Viva la Lógica! Viva!
Viva los Estados Unidos! Viva!
Viva Inmigrantes Legales! Viva!
Viva regla de la ley! Viva!

Ustedes lamentarán cualesquiera excursiones a lastimar este gran país. Acuérdense, todo lo que usted harán el lunes, van a encabronar los Americanos.

Anonymous said...

Side Note:

All the people who are egging you on are going to show up to work:

1. Villarraigosa
2. The entire Univision, Telefutura, Telemundo and Azteca America staff
3. The staff or spanish speaking radio networks

They send the idiots out to do the dirty work, but they wouldn't dare risk their jobs over it.

Anonymous said...

To the previous poster. What's your problem?

Soon the so called immigrants which you call "illegal" will be by law "LEGALIZED"

You will also see how easy the white capitalist change the law because it serves their purpose. "Cheap labor".

You can't deny the fact that the racist white majority of this nation once made it "LEGAL" to enslave black people and to commit genocide against the indigenous people of America.

They systematically killed the buffalo so they could starve the American Indians to death.

They stole Indian and Mexican land by making "LAWS" that legitimize the raping, the killing so they could steal these lands.

F*ck the law, when it discriminates, F*ck the law when it legislates a group of people as superior to another.

We're pushing for full amnesty and legalization.

It is only until recently that we've learn to play the white man's LAW and MEDIA game. And we're going to prevail!

The truth is whether you and other anti-immigrant idiots like it or not, the laws will always prove that the mighty dollar is the only real rule of this land.

This land has been sold, bought and paid for by foreign governments a long time ago. Britain, Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, etc.

These foreign governments are the REAL reason why some un-educated whites and others are losing their jobs.

China bribed their way during the Clinton administration "as most favored trading partner"

No we are being bombarded with inexpensive Chinese made products and are causing a lot of American manufacturers to go out of business and to lay off THOUSANDs of ahite workers. Thanks to Clinton and a stupid Congress we now have a 200 Billion trade deficit with China.

Fact: Mexico's is the number 1 trading partner to the U.S.

Fact: The money that immigrants sent to Mexico, always makes it way back to American companies.

Fact: Mexico # 1 supplier of manufactured goods is the U.S.

Fact: Mexico and Mexican legal or not, are NOT the enemy, the previously mentioned companies are!

Mexican immigrants are a PLUS to the American economy. They are the reason why some American companies have not gone overseas to manufacture their goods.

Fact: The U.S. economy grew by 4.9% in the first quarter of 2006.

Where are the problems these "Illegals" are causing. It is only in the minds of a vocal few ignorant racists.

Don't hate the immigrants, if you're going to hate anyone, hate the companies who hire them.

If you're so Anti-immigrant, don't eat produce that was picked by illegal farm workers.

Start buying your lettuce and tomatoes at 5X the price that was picked by white legal workers.

And since you have so much money. Don't buy shirts or pants that were made in the garment industry of LA, because chances are they were made by "illegal" workers.

Also buy your food at markets that you now for a fact don't hire illegal.

Also don't eat at restaurant that you know that the cooks and the dishwashers are illegal.

You will soon see that you'll need to get a second job.

Don't be a hypocrite, don't wash your car where you usually do. You know darn well the brown skin guy who washed it, is "illegal" as you call it.

It seems to me that you're scared. You think that somehow legalizing the 11 million + illegals is a bad thing. It is not!

I will feel safer knowing that now they can drive legally and buy insurance.

I will feel better that they will come out of the underground economy and be treated like human beings.

You will also feel better, because now they will be LEGAL.

And then you’ll just have to find something else to be unhappy about.


VIVA LA RAZA!!
VIVA LA CAUSA!!
SUPPORT THE BOYCOT!!!

Leroy Lopez
Hermandad Mexicana

Anonymous said...

In response to 12:33 AM, April 30, 2006
(I know it's you Enrique, como eres menso!)
o quizas seas la mujer del Ukraine?

It seems that you are NOT a student of history, and therefore need to learn that anyone who IGNORES IT, is bound to repeat its mistakes.

Don’t try to discredit me because of your ignorance.
WORK A LITTLE HARDER. You are the one who is "lying" to the people.

You can be forgiven for being IGNORANT, but if you continue to IGNORE the racist past of our "Founding Fathers", then you would have also proven your stupidity.

PAY ATTENTION!

The written document known as the American Constitution contains only TRACES of this old racial constitution, e.g., Article I, section II, in which reference is made to"other persons" (i.e., slaves) who are, for purposes of congressional representation, to be counted as "three fifths" of a person, and Article I, section 8, that refers to "Indian tribes",who are thus excluded from the otherwise universal category of "citizen". The old racial constitution was institutionally embodied in slavery, in treaty arrangements with Native Americans, and in restrictive immigration laws that applied to Asians of all description, e.g.,the Chinese Exclusion Acts, the "Gentlemen's Agreement" with Japan of 1907-1908, and in a1917 law that prohibited the admission of laborers from an "Asiatic Barred Zone"1. Aside from this, the old American racial constitution was solidly embedded in social and economic practices of segregation, discrimination, and status inferiority. These arrangements established a caste relationship between Whites of European extraction, and peoples of color, who included African Americans, Hispanics, Asian Americans, and Native Americans.

Your Ignorance can be cured, but I’m a afraid your stupidity is an incurable disease.

A tu salud "guey" or “gueya”!!!

Support the Protest!!!

Illegal immigrants are fighting for democracy in Iraq. Many have paid the ultimate price.

Si los corren, los corren.

"Si me han de matar mañana, que me maten de una vez!"

AJUA!!! Chinguen a su maaaaadreee los racistassssss!!!!

Anonymous said...

All of you who do not believe it this cause go back a few generations and think what if this was happening back then, when most of your ancestors were called illegals because unless you are a Native American your ancestors were ALL illegal at one time. Would you all be singing a different tune?

Anonymous said...

It amazes me how racist you are. White this, white that.

Stop projecting your racism onto others and provide a solid argument that doesn't depend on the dismissal of a very diverse group of people based on their skin color.

Anonymous said...

To the previous poster. What's your problem?

I hate racist people like you.

Soon the so called immigrants which you call "illegal" will be by law "LEGALIZED"

Yeah, that's what the current form of HR4437 proposes, but so few people have actually followed this law. It's the damndest thing, I still hear people say "no on HR4437"

You will also see how easy the white capitalist change the law because it serves their purpose. "Cheap labor".

Here you go with your racism again. White this. White that.

You can't deny the fact that the racist white majority of this nation once made it "LEGAL" to enslave black people and to commit genocide against the indigenous people of America.

So you're blaming the children for the sins of the father? Then I guess it's perfectly fine to persecute the jewish for the death of Christ, right?

They systematically killed the buffalo so they could starve the American Indians to death.
Funny, I thought they just killed the buffalo to sell expensive hides. Oh, wait, I forgot, you live in the past so you know what their intentions were.

They stole Indian and Mexican land by making "LAWS" that legitimize the raping, the killing so they could steal these lands.
Santa Ana was losing control of the "Mexican land" and had the US not taken it, California and the northernmost sections of Mexico would have begun to break off, as Texas did.

F*ck the law, when it discriminates, F*ck the law when it legislates a group of people as superior to another.
Yeah, that's what I think about laws that favor specific groups. It's insulting when people push for affirmative action

We're pushing for full amnesty and legalization.
And what do you propose we do about border enforcement and protection? It's nice and good that you talk about what YOU want, but your wants are not all-important.

It is only until recently that we've learn to play the white man's LAW and MEDIA game. And we're going to prevail!
Again with the racism. White this. White that. Let me ask you a question: Do you feel inferior to whites? Is that it? I dunno, I just see it as the law and media, but you obviously think that whites have control over you

The truth is whether you and other anti-immigrant idiots like it or not, the laws will always prove that the mighty dollar is the only real rule of this land.
Who said anybody was anti-immigrant? I'm an immigrant. I just believe in respect, and it's awfully disrespectful both to Mexicans and Americans when Chicanos go out on the street flying the Mexican flag. You offend Americans and you disgrace our flag

This land has been sold, bought and paid for by foreign governments a long time ago. Britain, Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, etc.
ahuh....

These foreign governments are the REAL reason why some un-educated whites and others are losing their jobs.
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the large number of illegals who are willing to do jobs for dirt cheap wages and then turn around and complain about being exploited, right? Even Cesar Chavez knew better, he reported illegals to the INS

China bribed their way during the Clinton administration "as most favored trading partner"

No we are being bombarded with inexpensive Chinese made products and are causing a lot of American manufacturers to go out of business and to lay off THOUSANDs of ahite workers. Thanks to Clinton and a stupid Congress we now have a 200 Billion trade deficit with China.
Right, this is true. Outsourcing is the other side of the problem, but lets stick with the domestic side of it for now.

Fact: Mexico's is the number 1 trading partner to the U.S.
Awesome, as it should be, we're neighbors not rivals

Fact: The money that immigrants sent to Mexico, always makes it way back to American companies.
The money that immigrants send to Mexico has more adverse effects on the Mexican population.

Fact: Mexico # 1 supplier of manufactured goods is the U.S.
Again, we're neighbors, this should be a no brainer

Fact: Mexico and Mexican legal or not, are NOT the enemy, the previously mentioned companies are!
Funny, you attack companies but they're lobbying in favor of immigrants. Talk about not knowing who your allies are

Mexican immigrants are a PLUS to the American economy. They are the reason why some American companies have not gone overseas to manufacture their goods.
So you're advocating the exploitation of illegals? Because if we call for amnesty, then these people will then be elligible for minimum wage, in which case the benefits you mention in this statement will be null and void

Fact: The U.S. economy grew by 4.9% in the first quarter of 2006.
Are you trying to suggest that this is exclusively due to immigrants?

Where are the problems these "Illegals" are causing. It is only in the minds of a vocal few ignorant racists.
You can't idealize illegals either. Are their contributions substancial? Yes. But you're an idiot if you think they don't cause problems. Also, if you take a minute to listen to those "racist" whites that you criticize so much, and you can free yourself of your own bias you'll hear what they're really saying. The problem isn't about legalities, it's about respect. When people demand shit in Spanish. That's disrespect. When you fly a foreign flag. That's disrespect. When you call whites racist even though many of them have never harbored a racist sentiment in their lives. That's disrespect. When you refuse to be a part of the system but expect to get all it's prestations. That's disrespect.

Don't hate the immigrants, if you're going to hate anyone, hate the companies who hire them.
Who's talking about hate? Stop projecting your own ideas. We're talking about our disapproval for a ridiculous protest that could not have come at a worse time, from our perspective. I would imagine you would LISTEN to us, since we're actually on the conservative side. So not only are we here discussing things with you, we're also giving you an insight into what the perception will be from the right.

If you're so Anti-immigrant, don't eat produce that was picked by illegal farm workers.

Start buying your lettuce and tomatoes at 5X the price that was picked by white legal workers.

And since you have so much money. Don't buy shirts or pants that were made in the garment industry of LA, because chances are they were made by "illegal" workers.

Also buy your food at markets that you now for a fact don't hire illegal.

Also don't eat at restaurant that you know that the cooks and the dishwashers are illegal.

You will soon see that you'll need to get a second job.

Don't be a hypocrite, don't wash your car where you usually do. You know darn well the brown skin guy who washed it, is "illegal" as you call it.

Stop with the exaggerations.

It seems to me that you're scared. You think that somehow legalizing the 11 million + illegals is a bad thing. It is not!

It's not. So long as they're ready to obey laws, learn English, pay taxes, send their kids to school. But then my question to you is: Are you okay with deporting those that have commited felonies? What do you propose we do to protect the border?

I will feel safer knowing that now they can drive legally and buy insurance.
Oh cut the crap, you're being patronizing

I will feel better that they will come out of the underground economy and be treated like human beings.

You will also feel better, because now they will be LEGAL.

And then you’ll just have to find something else to be unhappy about.
Yeah, you know it's usually the chicanos that piss me off. Immigrants work their asses off to get here, sacrifice their lives and then the only thing their children can think about is: "MOnday I get to ditch school"

VIVA LA RAZA!!
No tengo raza, no soy perro

VIVA LA CAUSA!!
SUPPORT THE BOYCOT!!!

Leroy Lopez
Hermandad Mexicana
Beats the hell out of getting a real job

Anonymous said...

The original Minutemen were:
Apache
Cherokee
Cheyenne
Blackfeet
Cabazon
Sioux
Delaware
Gabrieleno
Hopi
Navajo
etc.

When they defended the "Border" they were declared
"savages" by the "white invaders". They and their descendants (Native Americans of North, Central and South America) are the TRUE AMERICANS.
This includes the majority of Mexicans who have indigenous blood flowing through their veins.

The white Europeans and their descendants butchered millions of American Indians. Many tribes were slaughtered into extinction.

The problem is that this "sense of entitlement" and a "sense of superiority" of the descendants of the orginal "racist invaders" still harming us today.

To see proof of the white man's racism, visit one of the thousands of websites where they promote their divisive and racist propaganda.

http://www.minutemanproject.com
http://www.americanpatrol.com

Anonymous said...

I did what you suggested and visited the sites:
"MMP has no affiliation with, nor will we accept any assistance by or interference from, separatists, racists, or supremacy groups or individuals, no matter what their race, color, or creed."

- first line on www.minutemen.com

E-HOG said...

You need to stop saying I'm anti-immigration.

I'm absolutely pro immigration so long as they're willing to come legally, literate, educated, to assimilate, and be a proud member of our commonwealth.

I really do not believe that is too much to ask.

I also ask you to stop spewing hatred and inflammatory comments towards people that differ in opinion and perspective from you. If you actually want to have a fruitful and vigorous debate, show some courtesy towards your opposition as they have sure showed you.

The constitution as it was written is still in its original form. The text of the United States constitution cannot be changed. The provisions in the constitution can only be amended and basically annulled.

Now that you’ve actually cited directly which Article/Section you were referring to, I can respond directly. The section which I believe you are referring to is Article I, Section 2, Paragraph, 3 which reads:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may e included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

Just to not, and hoping you’re paying attention. This was changed by Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment which reads:

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

And we’re still not done yet because most of that was eventually changed by Section 1 of the Twenty-Sixth Amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

I’m glad you pointed out that those the first provision of Article I, Section 2 is old and is no longer in effect.

It’s quite obvious to me there is no such thing as a racist majority because if that racist majority did exist, all sorts of racist laws would be effect wouldn’t they?

I’m also happy that you pointed out that there have been other immigration laws passed restricting the entry of people from other nations other than European countries and Latin American countries. As a student of history, you should be able to recognize that immigration laws have been applied to everyone. Thank you for pointing this out to everyone.

F*ck the law, when it discriminates, F*ck the law when it legislates a group of people as superior to another.

I agree with you. So why are you pushing for laws like that to be passed that give special treatment to a specific group? Is this you contradicting yourself?

I also agree with you that we are being bombarded by inexpensive Chinese goods which are creating a massive trade deficit with that country. That situation will be dealt with accordingly.

However, you cannot ignore the fiscal impact of illegal immigration. I will specifically cite a study done by the Center for Immigration Studies (http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html). This study shows the fiscal impact of illegal immigrants on the federal budget to be $10 billion. They also estimate that amnesty would almost triple the fiscal deficit to $29 billion. Check out the study if you feel prudent to. There are several other studies which bolster these claims. This specific study however is most comprehensive.

Again, I don’t hate immigrants. I love any person that wants to come to this country and contribute as I have previously mentioned. However, you have to recognize there is a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. Overstaying your visas, violating sovereign borders, hiding in trunks of cars, hiding in cargo containers of tankers, and hiding under the dash boards of cars is quite obviously not the right way.

Whoah! Are you saying you like taking advantage illegal aliens working for you because they work for less and in worse conditions just so you can save a few bucks? That’s sick man.

Mexico is not the largest trading partner of the United States. Mexico is one of the largest, but not the largest. The largest trading partner of the United States is Canada, followed by the People's Republic of China, Mexico, and Japan.

I would like for you to make logic based arguments instead of emotional arguments. I, along with others that have posted here, continue to show the illegitimacy of a lot of your claims. For the sake of vigorous debate, contribute valid claims.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion this issue has been blown out of proportion in a sense. It is a sensitive subject in the least. However, whether or not it is racist, I do not think so. Most people make this law appear to only target one group of people, and it does not. Hispanics are not the only group in question. True enough, proportionally, they are in abundance. I think if most people took their emotions out of it for a second and really tried to see what the new legislation is calling for, they would not be so combative. Look at it in this light.

America does have the responsibility to ensure the well being of all people. But what is unique about American citizens is that we enjoy certain privileges. This includes LEGAL immigrants. Illegal immigrants are not entitled to these privileges. I do believe that America does sympathize with immigrants. But it does not support illegal immigration. And that is, in the least, understandable.

It is obvious that anything that is illegal is a crime; which makes those who commit illegal acts criminals. This implies that illegal immigrants, in the eyes of the justice system, are criminals. Comparable to other crimes, criminals lose most of their rights and privileges when they are convicted of a crime whether they are a citizen or not. This is why we have border patrol. To deter and punish those who commit the crime of illegally crossing the border. This is not limited to the borders of Mexico.

No one speaks of the hundreds of illegal Asian or African immigrants being smuggles through seaports in cargo containers. But since this issue hits so close to home, and people were rubbed the wrong way, so to speak, were willing to do any and everything to defeat it. I feel that those who were genuinely against this resolution used racism as a propaganda device to gain support. And the presupposition that it is racist is a part of partisan politics.

Scrutinizing anyone for going to work tomorrow and calling them racist for not protesting is discrimination.

Comparing Black History Month is irrelevant! It is in no way separatist, only to those who are uneducated on the issue that way, as illustrated in a previous post. It was in fact a tribute to African American influence, advancement, contribution, and legacy. Arguably, the reason this country and world is so advanced is due to African Americans. For example, a black man is responsible for the internet. If you think I am wrong, look into it. But this is not the issue at hand.

City officials, in a sense are obligated to go to work, because they may be needed tomorrow more than most people think. Villaraigosa should go to work tomorrow. The fact that the NFL talks are tomorrow is coincidence. I would not feel comfortable if he did not go to work. Would the president not going to work tomorrow seem right if he were Latino? He has a job in which he can not afford to take a day off from work just as the mayor of Los Angeles does. Pick your battles wisely.

I am in no way a racist, for those who may suggest that. Furthermore I did not support the initial form of HR4437. Not because it was racist, but because it was unrealistic. I feel it did need some reform. The entire system needs reform. By all means fight for what is right. Fight for reform. Fight for laws that made it easier for immigrants to gain citizenship. Tomorrow will give legislators see what would happen if immigration were not apart of the history of America. By all means fight for what you believe in, but if you cannot rely on the facts alone to prove your case and gain support, something is wrong. Relying on calling this racist to gain support is just as unrealistic and racist and unethical as this resolution is claimed to be. Capitalist and sensitive, it is, racist, it is not.

Anonymous said...

Don't read Wikipedia for your facts.

The fact is the U.S. is Mexico's #1 trading partner.

Over the past decade, trade between the United States and Mexico has nearly tripled to about $230 billion. Today, Mexico is America's second-largest trading partner, and we are Mexico's largest."

—President George W. Bush
Crawford, Texas
March 6, 2004

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/mexico/eataglance.html

E-HOG said...

Well, I'm looking right at Census Bureau statistics page on trade, and it seems Mexico is not the number one trading partner.

(http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/index.html#2006)

Click on 'Total Trade' to see that. Its month to month so you can go back over the last 8 years and see that.

Maybe its the other way around. The United States is Mexico's #1 trading partner.

Facts are facts so long as they're true. No matter where you find them.

Wikipedia is an excellent source for quick check of any information. Especially articles that have footnotes and citations. I would not recommend limiting your entire research to Wikipedia.

Anonymous said...

As I said. Villaraigosa gets it.

LA Times quotes.

"Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa estimated nearly a million people demonstrated throughout the day. "We come to work, we come for a better life, we come to participate for the American dream," he told the marchers on Wilshire at La Brea this evening."

"This march — protest, as it's developed, has been very peaceful as we suspected from the beginning."

"I'm mayor for all the people," Villaraigosa said. "But without question, I'm also someone who is a proud American, [and] also proud of where my family came from. I've never been shy about the fact that these people out here want to be a part of the American dream. I support them. I don't necessarily have to make every single demonstration to manifest that support."

LA RAZA UNIDA JAMAS SERA VENCIDA!

'nough said!

Anonymous said...

To the WHITE DEFENDER you must be a dark, short, men with indigineous traits that feels that white, blonde caucassian people are superior. GIVE UP YOUR FEELING OF INFERIORITY and accept yourself. "BROWN IS BEAUTIFUL" , you probably married a white women, right???

Anonymous said...

Crossing the Border
Listen to this Commentary!



By Denise Tejada

Yes I’m proud to say I’m an immigrant
I’m not gonna let people bring me down with words
If crossing the border didn’t stop me,
What makes you think your words
Are gonna stop me now?!

Two months of risking my life
Taught me life is not just pretty colors
But it has its dark sides
I was only seven when I was forced to
Cross the border

Yes, I’m proud of being an immigrant
Wore the same clothes for two months
Slept on top of rocks and
Used garbage bags as blankets
As an immigrant I’m proud
I’m not ashamed
Suffocation was going to be the main cause of my death
Yes, I’m proud

I was forced into a truck that was full of people
And no room for people to breath
Minutes went by hours had passed and I was ready
To hit the floor and never get up

Now you tell me I can’t make it
Because I’m not light enough
Because my hair ain’t blond enough
Because I’m not a citizen
Well I’m a resident and
That’s enough to get me through
Yes, I’m proud of my roots
And if my roots represent immigration
Then I’m proud

You can’t believe English was my second language
Now that shows you how hard I worked to gain that respect
I’m gonna say it loud and proud
Till my voice is gone
I’m an immigrant
Yes, I’m an immigrant

I was a living ghost
Walking the streets of California
For the United States I never existed
Until seven years ago
Now I’m sixteen years old
And working hard on becoming a U.S. Citizen
But never forgetting about my roots

E-HOG said...

White Defender? Okay?

If youre referring to those of us that don't agree with your position on this issue.

I guess you're just angry because we've destroyed every point you've tried to make. So since you have nothing better to say, you resort to infantile name calling and the like.

Congratulations.

Way To Fail.

Anonymous said...

House of Representatives Bill 4437

Proposal

On December 6, 2005, Representative Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) introduced H.R. 4437 onto the floor of the House of Representatives. After going through mark-up and amendment, the full House voted to pass the bill on December 16, 2005, by a margin of 239 to 182.
[edit]

Provisions

* Requires up to 700 miles (1100 km) of fence along the U.S.-Mexican border at points with the highest number of immigrant deaths. (House Amendment 648, authored by Duncan Hunter)
* Requires the federal government to take custody of illegal aliens detained by local authorities. This would end the practice of "catch and release", where federal officials sometimes instruct local law enforcement to release detained illegal aliens because resources to prosecute them are not available. It also reimburses local agencies in the 29 counties along the border for costs related to detaining illegal aliens. (Section 607)
* Mandates employers to verify workers' legal status through electronic means, phased in over several years. Also requires reports to be sent to Congress one and two years after implementation to ensure that it is being used. (Title VII)
* Eliminates the Diversity Immigrant Visa (also known as Green Card Lottery) program. (House Amendment 650, authored by Bob Goodlatte)
* Prohibits grants to federal, state, or local government agencies that enact or maintain a sanctuary policy. (House Amendment 659, authored by Thomas Tancredo)
* Incorporates satellite communications between immigration enforcement officials. (House Amendment 638, authored by John Carter)
* Requires all United States Border Patrol uniforms to be made in the U.S. to avoid forgeries. (House Amendment 641, authored by Rick Renzi)
* Institutes a timeline for deployment of US-VISIT to all land-based checkpoints. (House Amendment 642, authored by Michael Castle)
* Requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to report to Congress on the number of OTMs (Other Than Mexicans) apprehended and deported and the number of those from states that sponsor terror. (Section 401)
* Formalizes Congressional condemnation of rapes by smugglers along the border and urges Mexico to take immediate action to prevent them. (House Amendment 647, authored by Ginny Brown-Waite
* All illegals before deported must pay a fine of $3,000 if they agree to leave voluntarily but do not adhere to the terms of their agreement. The grace period for voluntary departure is shortened to 60 days.
* All children born to illegal immigrants in the United States will become wards of the state.
* Requires DHS to conduct a study on the potential for border fencing on the US-Canada border.
* Sets the minimum sentence for fraudulent documents at 10 years, fines, or both, with tougher sentencing in cases of aiding drug trafficking or terrorism.
* Establishes a Fraudulent Documents Center within DHS.
* Increases penalties for aggravated felonies and various frauds, including marriage fraud and document fraud.
* Establishes an 18-month deadline for DHS to control the border, with a progress report due one year after enactment of the legislation.
* Requires criminal record, terrorist watch list clearance, and fraudulent document checks for any alien before being granted legal immigration status.
* Reimburses states aiding in immigration enforcement.
* Housing of illegals will be considered a felony and subject to no less than 3 years in prison.
* Allows deportation of any illegal alien convicted of driving under the influence (DUI).
* Adds human trafficking and human smuggling to the money-laundering statute.
* Increases penalties for employing illegal aliens to $7,500 for first time offenses, $15,000 for second offenses, and $40,000 for all subsequent offenses.
* Allows the US to refuse to accept immigrants from countries which delay or refuse to accept the foreign country's citizens deported from the United States (Section 404).

Anonymous said...

And of course you are aware that said version is now non-existent. It was revised in the floor of the Senate and halted briefly. It was slated to go back on the floor soon but after your antics, it is completely unlikely that this will happen. One of your biggest supporters, Senator Kennedy, was offended by the anthem in spanish and the demonstrations of separatism that attempted to harm the U.S. economy and is no longer pushing your cause.

Anonymous said...

To the WHITE DEFENDER you must be a dark, short, men with indigineous traits that feels that white, blonde caucassian people are superior. GIVE UP YOUR FEELING OF INFERIORITY and accept yourself. "BROWN IS BEAUTIFUL" , you probably married a white women, right???

I'm a dark tall man with both indigenous and European traits that feels that all people are equal and I behave accordingly.

The only ones who express feelings of inferiority are the ones who readily admit that this 'white' government is somehow holding us back. I'm sorry, I'm not ready to give 'whites' or this 'government' that kind of power over me.

"Brown is irrelevant" -- My skin color does not limit or define me.

Those in this forum who advance illegal aliens are the only ones who have this obession with race.

By the way, my personal life is none of your business. Why does it matter? It's an ad hominem attack, you are more interested in attacking my character than in refuting my points.

Anonymous said...

well, Let's keep in mind that we all come from different parts of the world and we're all here in the great U. S.of A for the opportunity to progress in life. First thing in becoming a citizen is to take an oath to obey the laws and jurisdiciton of U.S.A. Now...just because you crawled, jump, swam, ran, or even hid in a container somwhere,to get into the country...doesn't mean that U.S. owes you a favor for your struggles... Please...quit looking for an easy way out. You're in their turf now! Laws are there for a reason. I'm pretty sure that majority of the protestors can't even speak, read, or write in English...C'mon Now! Stop trying to force your way in. Abide by the laws and move on.

Anonymous said...

Yeah,

it's real important to obey the laws of this country, just ask our elected officials from the federal government. Now that is what call setting the example for these protestors. These protestors are reminding us Americans that public dissent is an important component of a true democracy. When is the last time Americans have protested anything in such mass quantities? Do these "protestors" or "illegals" value and understand basic democratic principles moreso that our citizenry?

bigguy27 said...

White defender? That's funny. I think RIGHT defender is more suitable. That just goes to illustrate the simple minded approach you are taking to this issue.

As my good buddy Ehog and I have said, race should not be the basis of your argument, sice that argument holds no water. Stooping to name calling and biggotous allegations shows you have no argument and that you dont know the issues.

Furthermore it shows you dont even understand the legislation. Do your homework and put your feelings on the side for a minute and think about what is really going on.

Frankly name calling is childish. And for the record I am dark skinned and tall and have no indigenous traits. White people dont even have indigenous traits. Or have we forgotten that white people were immigrants too? Until you know what you are talking about, you should have no comment, you are just wasting time and space.

bigguy27 said...

In my opinion this issue has been blown out of proportion in a sense. It is a sensitive subject in the least. However, whether or not it is racist, I do not think so. Most people make this law appear to only target one group of people, and it does not. Hispanics are not the only group in question. True enough, proportionally, they are in abundance. I think if most people took their emotions out of it for a second and really tried to see what the new legislation is calling for, they would not be so combative. Look at it in this light.

America does have the responsibility to ensure the well being of all people. But what is unique about American citizens is that we enjoy certain privileges. This includes LEGAL immigrants. Illegal immigrants are not entitled to these privileges. I do believe that America does sympathize with immigrants. But it does not support illegal immigration. And that is, in the least, understandable.

It is obvious that anything that is illegal is a crime; which makes those who commit illegal acts criminals. This implies that illegal immigrants, in the eyes of the justice system, are criminals. Comparable to other crimes, criminals lose most of their rights and privileges when they are convicted of a crime whether they are a citizen or not. This is why we have border patrol. To deter and punish those who commit the crime of illegally crossing the border. This is not limited to the borders of Mexico.

No one speaks of the hundreds of illegal Asian or African immigrants being smuggles through seaports in cargo containers. But since this issue hits so close to home, and people were rubbed the wrong way, so to speak, were willing to do any and everything to defeat it. I feel that those who were genuinely against this resolution used racism as a propaganda device to gain support. And the presupposition that it is racist is a part of partisan politics.

Scrutinizing anyone for going to work tomorrow and calling them racist for not protesting is discrimination.

Comparing Black History Month is irrelevant! It is in no way separatist, only to those who are uneducated on the issue that way, as illustrated in a previous post. It was in fact a tribute to African American influence, advancement, contribution, and legacy. Arguably, the reason this country and world is so advanced is due to African Americans. For example, a black man is responsible for the internet. If you think I am wrong, look into it. But this is not the issue at hand.

City officials, in a sense are obligated to go to work, because they may be needed tomorrow more than most people think. Villaraigosa should go to work tomorrow. The fact that the NFL talks are tomorrow is coincidence. I would not feel comfortable if he did not go to work. Would the president not going to work tomorrow seem right if he were Latino? He has a job in which he can not afford to take a day off from work just as the mayor of Los Angeles does. Pick your battles wisely.

I am in no way a racist, for those who may suggest that. Furthermore I did not support the initial form of HR4437. Not because it was racist, but because it was unrealistic. I feel it did need some reform. The entire system needs reform. By all means fight for what is right. Fight for reform. Fight for laws that made it easier for immigrants to gain citizenship. Tomorrow will give legislators see what would happen if immigration were not apart of the history of America. By all means fight for what you believe in, but if you cannot rely on the facts alone to prove your case and gain support, something is wrong. Relying on calling this racist to gain support is just as unrealistic and racist and unethical as this resolution is claimed to be. Capitalist and sensitive, it is, racist, it is not.

6:18 PM, April 30, 2006

Anonymous said...

To the coconut, yes I can also act childish like you claim,but people like you convert us to this. HERE ARE YOUR MISCONCEPTIONS:

1. Immigrants are not people. Of course you never say this explicitly, but it saturates the subtext of anti-immigration arguments. I have yet to see an immigration critic show any evidence of compassion, of willingness or ability to see the other side. No one says, "Hey, if America were a desert and Mexico were a nation of showy wealth and higher wages, and I were desperately poor and had nothing to lose, I'd totally sneak in there -- and I'd bring my culture with me!"

The dehumanization of immigrants is done through words -- "hordes" "pouring" across the border, not people walking across -- and through disparaging references to their culture, language, or race. The statement that "white" people will one day be a minority in America, or that some percentage of Californians don't even speak English, or that immigrants are still dressing the way they did in Mexico, has no importance except to a racist.


2. White. "White" is not a race. It's an elite class and culture whose meaning has changed many times to accommodate the needs of elitism and domination. In America, Irish, Italians, Jews, and others were once considered non-white, and were later invited to join the club, in exchange for their willingness to identify with the divisive and oppressive system.

George Washington's name among the Indians was Town Destroyer. As Americans and yes immigrants we are supposed to identify with him, to lamely defend or justify him or at least feel apologetic for what "those" people did to those other people. I refuse! I identify with the Indians, and we want the land back! After all, my ancestors in the region now called "Europe" once lived much like American Indians, before they were violently conquered by the hierarchical, forest-cutting Indo-Europeans and later the Romans -- who certainly believed themselves racially superior to the paler-skinned aliens, the impoverished barbarous northerners who flowed in and polluted the glorious city of Rome.


3. Immigration equals conquest. The idea here is that moving into a land occupied by others by means of military aggression, massacring noncombatants, destroying villages and food sources, forcing people off the land, keeping them as slaves, sending them to concentration camps, assassinating their leaders, stamping out their language and culture -- that this is morally and tactically equivalent to simply moving in next to them, keeping your own culture, and surviving.



3. Land belongs to whoever's already there. This argument, predictably, is used only by people who are holding the land in question at the time, no matter how they took it or how long they've been there, and conveniently they apply it only to the present and future, never to the past. But this is hypocritical and illogical. If it's wrong for Mexicans to come peacefully to America and mooch off our luxuries, then it was far more wrong for Europeans to come here, kill almost all the humans and large mammals who were already here, and poison and deplete the land.

A PROUD MEXICAN IMMIGRANT THAT DOES NOT ASSIMILATE TO "FEEL PROMOTED AS A HUMAN" ......PROUD MEXICAN "ORGULLOSO DE SUS RAICES"

Anonymous said...

To the coconut, yes I can also act childish like you claim,but people like you convert us to this. HERE ARE YOUR MISCONCEPTIONS:

1. Immigrants are not people. Of course you never say this explicitly, but it saturates the subtext of anti-immigration arguments.

Two things: Firstly, nobody is pushing anti-immigration. There is a difference between immigration and illegal immigration. Secondly, it's always pleasant to see people who try to put words into our mouths in order to establish a point. It's especially encouraging to see people openly admit that we did not express certain ideas, but continue to credit us with them anyway

I have yet to see an immigration critic show any evidence of compassion, of willingness or ability to see the other side.

I have yet to see an illegal immigration advocate show any understanding of the mentality behind anti-illegal immigration sentiments. The key element to any persuasive speech is to appeal to the crowd that is least affected. Everybody knows how immigration reform/amnesty benefits the illegals already here, why not try to understand what the citizenry's position is, why it is such [instead of just dismissing them as racists] and trying to appeal to that instead of preaching separatism and reconquista. Instead of having a large protest and skipping work and schools [both acts that demonstrate an amazing degree of responsibility] why don't we have a day where that same crowd cleans the streets of Los Angeles free of charge. Just downtown L.A. Why not show that we're willing to do positive things to be a part of the system?

No one says, "Hey, if America were a desert and Mexico were a nation of showy wealth and higher wages, and I were desperately poor and had nothing to lose, I'd totally sneak in there -- and I'd bring my culture with me!"

Completely invalid argument: Appeal to extremes

The dehumanization of immigrants is done through words -- "hordes" "pouring" across the border, not people walking across -- and through disparaging references to their culture, language, or race. The statement that "white" people will one day be a minority in America, or that some percentage of Californians don't even speak English, or that immigrants are still dressing the way they did in Mexico, has no importance except to a racist.

Now you're playing the semantics game. Do you prefer "masses" "sneaking" across the border? The statements you described above [with the exception of the language one] are more likely to be mentioned by "la raza" than by citizens. "La Raza" and the other jokers are the only ones who are really interested in the change in the ethnic makeup of California. Other groups could care less so long as their neighborhoods are kept in good order.


2. White. "White" is not a race. It's an elite class and culture whose meaning has changed many times to accommodate the needs of elitism and domination. In America, Irish, Italians, Jews, and others were once considered non-white, and were later invited to join the club, in exchange for their willingness to identify with the divisive and oppressive system.

The only side that's divisive about this issue is the racist pro-illegal side that is obsessed with reconquista and "taking back" the land

George Washington's name among the Indians was Town Destroyer.

Red herring

As Americans and yes immigrants we are supposed to identify with him, to lamely defend or justify him or at least feel apologetic for what "those" people did to those other people. I refuse! I identify with the Indians, and we want the land back!

I identify with neither, they lived a hell of a long time ago and quite frankly I'm not THAT OBSESSED with the past. While understanding it is fundamental, I really do not associate or identify myself with the English or the Spanish or the Aztec. To identify with the indians means that you have already accepted a position as a victim which really seems tragic to me, considering that the only one being affected by that self-imposed limitation is you

After all, my ancestors in the region now called "Europe" once lived much like American Indians, before they were violently conquered by the hierarchical, forest-cutting Indo-Europeans and later the Romans -- who certainly believed themselves racially superior to the paler-skinned aliens, the impoverished barbarous northerners who flowed in and polluted the glorious city of Rome.

Red Herring


3. Immigration equals conquest. The idea here is that moving into a land occupied by others by means of military aggression, massacring noncombatants, destroying villages and food sources, forcing people off the land, keeping them as slaves, sending them to concentration camps, assassinating their leaders, stamping out their language and culture -- that this is morally and tactically equivalent to simply moving in next to them, keeping your own culture, and surviving.

Nobody objects to a maintaining of your own culture. Hell, I keep my own culture all the time. When the 5th of may rolls around, I do nothing, just as I did nothing in Mexico. When the 16th of September comes, I'm on Galavision watch the Grito from Mexico City. I have pozole on Christmas and Tamales on New Year's. I follow Mexican football, Mexican politics, etc. etc. etc. And anybody that knows me, including the "oppressive whites" can understand and accept this. It's funny, I know neo-con Republicans who completely know how I feel about Mexico and they have zero objections. Why? Because in the public square, I speak the public language, I respect those around me and I don't impose my ideas on them. Does that take away from my nationality or my love for the place of my birth?


3. Land belongs to whoever's already there. This argument, predictably, is used only by people who are holding the land in question at the time, no matter how they took it or how long they've been there, and conveniently they apply it only to the present and future, never to the past. But this is hypocritical and illogical. If it's wrong for Mexicans to come peacefully to America and mooch off our luxuries, then it was far more wrong for Europeans to come here, kill almost all the humans and large mammals who were already here, and poison and deplete the land.

Appeal to extremes

A PROUD MEXICAN IMMIGRANT THAT DOES NOT ASSIMILATE TO "FEEL PROMOTED AS A HUMAN" ......PROUD MEXICAN "ORGULLOSO DE SUS RAICES"

Really? is that why you refuse assimilation? I didn't know I had to assimilate to be a hUman, I thought that was just a sense of pride that I developed for myself.

You know, flowers are beautiful, and all their lives they stay so close to their roots which are relatively short, but they're very easy to pick out and get rid of because they're so weak and so dependent on what little roots they have. But a tree: a tree grows up and away from its roots, and the more it does, the more its roots are extended and consolidated. Now you tell me which is easier to crush? The flower that stayed close to its roots and never grew or the tree that grew away from its roots and didn't feel the need to stay close to them in order to consolidate them. I don't have to obsess with my roots in order for them to be strong. Mexican is my nationality, but it doesn't define me.

Anonymous said...

Just to help out. Seems humans weren't responsible for the extinction of 'large mammals.'

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-05-10T184512Z_01_L10609712_RTRUKOC_0_US-SCIENCE-EXTINCTION.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Anonymous said...

Way to go Napoleon. That will teach the employees. Keep up the short work.

E-HOG said...

** Center for Immigration Studies - http://www.cis.org/
** Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - http://www.cairco.org/
** Federation for American Immigration Reform - http://www.fairus.org/
** HIDDEN COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: ID THEFT - http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/03/hidden_cost_of_.html
** Laughter Genealogy Reference and Research Center - http://www.laughtergenealogy.com/bin/header/immigrants.html
** Different Opinion Polls On Immigration - http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
** Myths and Half Truths of Illegal Immigration - http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b30c0535a05.htm
** Numbers USA - http://www.numbersusa.com/index

Some good readings on the effects of unauthorized immigration into the United States.

Anonymous said...

Napoleon may be a short shit, the little guy, y el hermano del piso, but he carries a big stick. He could make a movie about himself and instead of calling it Walking Tall it could be called Walking Small.

bigguy27 said...

T0:A PROUD MEXICAN IMMIGRANT THAT DOES NOT ASSIMILATE TO "FEEL PROMOTED AS A HUMAN" ......PROUD MEXICAN "ORGULLOSO DE SUS RAICES"
I have no misconceptions, I think you do. Morever you have no idea what youre talking about. How in the world is "white" and "elite" class of people. Thats the most asinine thing you could say. I think you need a reality check buddy. Thats all I will says for now. I have bigger fish to fry. But you know one things, I think that leaving an anonymous comment shows that you dont really stand up for what you say you do. If you did, you would identify yourself and let your opinion truly be know. "Coconut" ha! Try America's Worst Nightmare. Fallacious comments will never get you anywhere but back where you started.